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Tactical Scenario:  06-2005

 

 

“The Cafeteria Scenario”

By:  Jeff Reidie

 

It is a Friday afternoon and you and your wife have been shopping in the new, spacious indoor mall on the outskirts of the city in which you live.  It is almost 7:00 PM and you both have been there since you met after work.  The shopping experience has been pleasant and now you both are heading for the mall food court to eat before going home.  You decide to eat in the new cafeteria that is adjacent to the food court as you make your way through the crowd of shoppers. 

 

Crossing the food court, you become aware of a man shouting and you observe a somewhat disheveled individual in his mid-twenties who is waving his arms and yelling at no-one in particular.  You carefully navigate your way around the emotionally disturbed individual and enter the cafeteria.  After going through the line and selecting your food, you carry your trays to a table in the crowed cafeteria that is in the back near the kitchen.  Glad to be able to sit down and relax, you and your wife begin to enjoy your meal.

 

A short while later, you hear shouting from the front of the cafeteria.  You notice the same emotionally disturbed man that you saw in the food court now making his way through the cafeteria.  Several cafeteria employees are following him trying to direct him out of the building with no success.  He is becoming more vocal and distraught and suddenly picks up a knife from a table as he makes his way toward the kitchen.  You suddenly become aware that the man is heading toward you & your wife and that he is now armed.

 

You are carrying a Smith & Wesson model 642 AirLite titanium “J” frame revolver loaded with Federal 125 grain Nyclad “plus P” hollowpoints in a DeSantis pocket holster and you have a Bianchi Speed Strip with 6 additional rounds.  In addition to a Surefire Nitrolon flashlight in your jacket pocket, you are carrying a Spyderco Endura pocket-knife and an 11 gram container of Fox OC spray.  Explain what you would do and why.

 


“The Cafeteria Response”

 

 

 

By:  Jeff Whisler

 

My response would be as follows:

 

Bearing in mind that the subject appears to be an EDI and is unresponsive to verbal commands and is escalating the force continuum to a lethal level by grabbing a knife, I would rise from my seat drawing my weapon and begin shouting “drop the knife!”   At the same time, as powerfully as I could, I would use my left hand to push the table towards the EDI’s line of attack.  I am keeping the table between the attacker, my wife and me.  My purpose is to reboot his OODA loop and allow the pursuit to catch up.  I would take a single step off the line into a kneeling position.  This allows me to shoot at an upward angle and avoid hitting any friendly folks behind the attacker.  If the EDI continued his line of attack towards us despite my continued verbal warnings and crossed a pre-established line of decision, I would target the area from the tip of his chin to the soft area below his Adam’s apple.  I don’t think I would have time for more than one shot before he reached my position.

 

In my mind disengagement or retreat is not the best option.  There isn’t enough time to physically get my wife and me out of harms way.  In addition, the cafeteria environment (scattered tables and chairs) creates a large opportunity to get tangled and fall trying to beat a hasty retreat.  He may be targeting someone in the kitchen but he may be “locked on” to me or my wife.

 

 

 

 

By:  Steve Fisher

 

First, I wouldn’t have even gone there.  I would avoid if at all possible any conflict, but since we are here, I would stand up and look for a quick exit with wife.  I’d create some distance and put several objects between me and mister “I Am Mad at the World”.  OC might not be a good option in the enclosed confines of the restaurant because of fans and other air currents, so I would draw my 642 and Surefire and keep my wife behind me while moving off the line of threat, hopefully to an exit.  If not, I’d use whatever force was needed to resolve conflict.  The flashlight might be enough to toss the subject off with its bright light.

 

 

 

By:  Greg Mactye

 

Option #1 - leave the area right now!   I hope that I have chosen the most difficult location in the restaurant to approach and that I have also picked this location on the basis of an easy exit, which preferably doesn't require going back through the establishment and therefore into the current danger.   If I've been that smart (possibly, if I'm in Condition Yellow as I ought to be, but admittedly not quite as likely if the neighborhood is deemed "friendly and unthreatening" - a tactical error, I'll freely admit).   If so, I'll tell my wife to get up and we will leave by the side door and contact security if possible, then hang around until the situation has stabilized or the cops come to take away Mr. Nutjob.  (No sense wasting a decent meal if it can be helped!)

 

An alternate plan might be to escape into the rest room with my wife, if it was nearby and not into the fellow's path and if I already knew that the room had a solid lock on the door.

 

 

Option #2 - attempt to leave by quietly walking as far around the whacko as possible.  I'd look for which way Mr. Knife wielder is heading and try to escape via a route which takes me as far from him as possible. Tables and other solid objects would be used as blockers.  My wife would walk behind me on the side away from the guy.  I'd prepare to fight if necessary but try to look unthreatening and disinterested.  I'd try to think of something to say that might calm (or distract) the fellow if he challenges me.  I'd also have my hand in my pocket, out of sight but ready to draw the J-frame if needed.  The other hand would carry the light as a throw-away object to hopefully distract the guy if he tries to charge me.  

 

Option #3 - fight back if challenged.   Since a knife wielder can cover a lot of ground in a hurry once he decides to go for it, I'd forget about using escalating levels of force and just shoot him if I decided that he was going to attack, and had taken what I believed to be clear signs of that action.  I have sufficient legal cause to do so, I think, since he clearly is armed with a dangerous weapon and is in an extremely agitated state of mind.   I'd tell my wife to remain on the far side of us so she's out of the line of fire and protected by my body (I am, after all, a chivalrous fellow!)   I'd attempt to keep a table or set of chairs between me and him and if I had to fire I would place as many rounds into his COM as were necessary to stop his forward motion.   I suppose it would be of great help to my court case if I were to holler something like ”Don't come near me! - I have a gun and I will shoot you if you do!" loud enough to be heard by potential witness.